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From banking to quantum optics: Michelle Lollie’s unique journey
Michelle Lollie is an advanced laser scientist at Quantinuum, supporting the design, development and construction of complex optical systems that will serve as the foundations of world-class quantum computers. Lollie also participates in various diversity, equity, inclusion and accessibility initiatives, advocating for those who are marginalized in STEM fields, particularly in physics. Outside of wrangling photons, you can often find her at home practicing the violin.
Your initial bachelor’s degree was in finance, and you went on to work in the field through your 20s before pivoting to physics – what made you take the leap to make this change, and what inspired you to pick physics for your second bachelor’s degree?
I had dreams of working in finance since high school – indeed, at the time I was on my way to being the most dedicated, most fashionable, and most successful investment banker on Wall Street. I would like to think that, in some other quantum universe, there’s still a Michelle Lollie – investment banker extraordinaire.
So my interest in physics wasn’t sparked until much later in life, when I was 28 years old – I was no longer excited by a career in finance, and was looking for a professional pivot. I came across a groundbreaking theory paper about the quantum teleportation of states. I honestly thought that it referred to “Beam me up, Scotty” from Star Trek, and
I was amazed.
But all jokes aside, quantum physics holds many a mystery that we’re still exploring. As a field, it’s quite new – there are approximately 100 years of dedicated quantum study and discovery, compared to millennia of classical physics. Perusing the paper and understanding about 2% of it, I just decided that this is what I would study. I wanted to learn about this “entanglement” business – a key concept of quantum physics. The rest is history.
Can you tell me a bit about your PhD pathway? You were a part of the APS Bridge Program at Indiana University – how did the programme help you?
After deciding to pursue a physics degree, I had to pick an academic institution to get said degree. What was news to me was that, for second baccalaureate degrees, funding at a public university was hard to come by. I was looking for universities with a strong optics programme, having decided that quantum optics was for me.
I learned about the Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology, in Terre Haute, Indiana by searching for optical engineering programmes. What I didn’t know was that, in terms of producing top engineers, you’d be hard pressed to find a finer institution. The same can be said for their pure science disciplines, although those disciplines aren’t usually ranked. I reached out to inquire about enrolment, was invited to visit and fell in love with the campus. I was funded and my physics journey began.
Prior to graduation, I was struggling with most of my grad-school applications being denied. I wasn’t the most solid student at Rose (it’s a rigorous place), but I wasn’t a poorly performing student, either. Enter the APS Bridge Program, which focuses on students who, for whatever reason, were having challenges applying to grad school. The programme funded two years of education, wherein the student could have more exposure to coursework (which was just what I needed) or have more opportunity for research, after which they could achieve a master’s degree and continue to a PhD.
I was accepted at a bridge programme site at Indiana University Bloomington. The additional two years allowed for a repeat of key undergraduate courses in the first year, with the second year filled with grad courses. I continued on and obtained my master’s degree. I decided to leave IU to collaborate with a professor at Louisiana State University (LSU) who I had always wanted to work with and had done prior research with. So I transferred to LSU and obtained my PhD, focusing on high-dimensional orbital angular momentum states of light for fibre-based quantum cryptography and communication protocols. Without the Bridge Program, it’s likely that you might not be reading this article.
You then went on to Louisiana State University where, in 2022, you were the first African American woman to complete a PhD in physics – what was that like?
It’s funny, but at the time, no-one was really talking about this. I think, for the individual who has to face various challenges due to race, sexual orientation and preference, gender, immigration status and the like, you just try to take your classes and do your research. But, just by your existence and certain aspects that may come along with that, you are often faced with a decision to advocate for yourself in a space that historically was not curated with you or your value in mind.
So while no-one was going up and down the halls saying “Hey, look at us, we have five Black students in our department!”, most departments would bend over backwards for those diversity numbers. Note that five Black students in a department of well over 100 is nothing to write home about. It should be an order of magnitude higher, with 20–30 Black students at least. This is the sad state of affairs across physics and other sciences: people get excited about one Black student and think that they’re doing something great. But, once I brought this fact to the attention of those in the front office and my adviser, a bit of talk started. Consequently, and fortuitously, the president of the university happened to visit our lab the fall before my graduation. Someone at that event noticed me, a Black woman in the physics department, and reached out to have me participate in several high-profile opportunities within the LSU community. This sparked more interest in my identity as a Black woman in the field; and it turned out that I was the first Black woman who would be getting a PhD from the department, in 2022. I am happy to report that three more Black women have earned degrees (one master’s in medical physics, and two PhDs in physics) since then.
My family and I were featured on LSU socials for the historic milestone, especially thanks to Mimi LaValle, who is the media relations guru for the LSU Physics and Astronomy department. They even shared my grandmother’s experience as a Black woman growing up in the US during the 1930s, and the juxtaposition of her opportunities versus mine were highlighted. It was a great moment and I’m glad that LSU not only acknowledged this story, but they emphasized and amplified it. I will always be grateful that I was able to hand my doctoral degree to my grandmother at graduation. She passed away in August 2024, but was always proud of my achievements. I was just as proud of her, for her determination to survive. Different times indeed.
What are some barriers and challenges you have faced through your education and career, if any?
The barriers have mostly been structural, embedded within the culture and fabric of physics. But this has made my dedication to be successful in the field a more unique and customized experience that only those who can relate to my identity will understand. There is a concerted effort to say that science doesn’t see colour, gender, etc., and so these societal aspects shouldn’t affect change within the field. I’d argue that human beings do science, so it is a decidedly “social” science, which is impacted significantly by culture – past and present. In fact, if we had more actual social scientists doing research on effecting change in the field for us physical scientists, the negative aspects of working in the field – as told by those who have lived experience – would be mitigated and true scientific broadening could be achieved.
What were the pitfalls, or stresses, of following this career random walk?
Other than the internal work of recognizing that, on a daily basis, I have to make space for myself in a field that’s not used to me, there hasn’t been anything of the sort. I have definitely had to advocate for myself and my presence within the field. But I love what I do and that I get to explore the mysteries of quantum physics. So, I’m not going anywhere anytime soon. The more space that I create, others can come in and feel just fine.
I want things to be as comfortable as possible for future generations of Black scientists. I am a Black woman, so I will always advocate for Black people within the space. This is unique to the history of the African Diaspora. I often advocate for those with cross-marginalized identities not within my culture, but no-one else has as much incentive to root for Black people but Black people. I urge everyone to do the same in highlighting those in their respective cultures and identities. If not you, then who?
What were the next steps for you after your PhD – how did you decide between staying in academia or pursuing a role in industry?
I always knew I was going to industry. I was actually surprised to learn that many physics graduates plan to go into academia. I started interviewing shortly before graduation, I knew what companies I had on my radar. I applied to them, received several offers, and decided on Quantinuum.
You are now an advanced laser scientist with Quantinuum – what does that involve, and what’s a “day in the life” like for you now?
Nowadays, I can be found either doing CAD models of beamlines, or in the lab building said beamlines. This involves a lot of lasers, alignment, testing and validation. It’s so cool to see an optical system that you’ve designed come to life on an optical table. Its even more satisfying when it is integrated within a full ion-trap system, and it works. I love practical work in the lab – when I have been designing a system for too long, I often say “Okay, I’ve been in front of this screen long enough. Time to go get the goggles and get the hands dirty.”
What do you know today, that you wish you knew when you were starting your career?
Had I known what I would have had to go through, I might not have ever done it. So, the ignorance of my path was actually a plus. I had no idea what this road entailed so, although the journey was a course in who-is-Michelle-going-to-be-101, I would wish for the “ignorance is bliss” state – on any new endeavour, even now. It’s in the unknowing that we learn who we are.
Be direct and succinct, and leave no room for speculation about what you are saying
What’s your advice for today’s students hoping to pursue a career in the quantum sector?
I always highlight what I’ve learned from Garfield Warren, a physics professor at Indiana University, and one of my mentors. He always emphasized learning skills beyond science that you’ll need to be successful. Those who work in physics often lack direct communication skills, and there can be a lot of miscommunication. Be direct and succinct, and leave no room for speculation about what you are saying. This skill is key.
Also, learn the specific tools of your trade. If you’re in optics, for example, learn the ins and outs of how lasers work. If you have opportunities to build laser set-ups, do so. Learn what the knobs do. Determine what it takes for you to be confident that the readout data is what you want. You should understand each and every component that relates to work that you are doing. Learn all that you can for each project that you work on. Employers know that they will need to train you on company-specific tasks, but technical acumen is assumed to a point. Whatever the skills are for your area, the more that you understand the minutiae, the better.
- First published in APS Careers 2025
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